joining us from boston, democratic strategist mary ann marsh and from los angeles, fox news analyst, lesley. freedman from the "new york times" on this program yesterday and i asked this question. it's a simple question 'cause as you know, lesley, i am a simple man. >> yes. >> mr. freed, what country can you point that that practices income redistribution on a large scale, that is powerful and successful in the world today? he didn't have one. >> is that my question? >> yeah, because you're smarter than freedman. so i'm asking you the same question. mr. freedman didn't have one. do you? >> i do actually. 2005 countries. i would say that -- i know that you're going to argue with me about this, i would say the united kingdom and france and germany would be a better example. >> germany, number one, doesn't practice income redistribution, neither does switzerland. those are the two most powerful countries in europe. france is instituting a 75% tax on their wealthy citizens. so i don't think they're strong economically. i know they're not. you basically can't point to one, lesley. can you